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[Jul. 13th, 2006|09:10 pm]
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[8:27pm] <acousvnt> Your last post on I Am A Bug was pretty good btw
[8:27pm] <acousvnt> It seemed to end kind of quick though like you ran out of things to say
[8:27pm] <acousvnt> But in a way, that's fitting, isn't it
[8:28pm] <ash`wyrk> heh
[8:28pm] <ash`wyrk> well, i am no expert on matters RKB
[8:28pm] <ash`wyrk> so i guess i did
[8:28pm] <acousvnt> You did well considering that
[8:28pm] <ash`wyrk> :)
[8:32pm] <iMooBook> I Am A Bug?
[8:32pm] <ash`wyrk> the Blog
[8:33pm] <acousvnt> Vic is a blogosphereonaut
[8:32pm] <iMooBook> hmm
[8:32pm] <ash`wyrk> did a quickie Syd send off
[8:33pm] <ash`wyrk> it is pretty fascinating to realize just how much PF owes to him, if that is the right word
[8:33pm] <ash`wyrk> and how completely fucked they really should have been after he was gone

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[8:37pm] <acousvnt> For me the mystery about Syd is what he actually wanted, if anything, because he never got a chance to even say it ... how far he wanted to go as a musician or what he wanted to do
[8:37pm] <acousvnt> Like if he was basically pushed into it or driven to do it
[8:38pm] <iMooBook> I think from what I read he wanted to do more pop songs
[8:40pm] <acousvnt> You get the sense that he at least partially wanted to destroy his own success
[8:40pm] <acousvnt> He didn't come around in his clearer moments and say "damn, I gotta do something about this, I'm really sabotaging everything"
[8:41pm] <ash`wyrk> yeah
[8:41pm] <ash`wyrk> it does seem like this was all a lark and a giggle
[8:41pm] <ash`wyrk> and then when it exploded he was kinda "uhhh, shit"
[8:41pm] <iMooBook> Then it became a job to him
[8:42pm] <acousvnt> AND HE SLACKED OFF
[8:42pm] <ash`wyrk> and, forgive me for saying so, but those two solo albums to me seem like somebody who didn't know what else to do with his day
[8:43pm] <ash`wyrk> i get the idea that they were pulled from him more than they were created, but i don't know the whole story behind them
[8:43pm] <acousvnt> I agree with that
[8:43pm] <acousvnt> That they weren't driven by a vision of his
[8:43pm] <acousvnt> That he was basically being propped up like Weekend At Bernie's
[8:45pm] <acousvnt> That said I think there are slivers of melody in there that the average schmuck couldn't write
[8:45pm] <ash`wyrk> sure
[8:45pm] <ash`wyrk> i admitted to liking a few tracks here and there
[8:46pm] <ash`wyrk> but slivers is a good word
[8:46pm] <ash`wyrk> those are very tough albums to like
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[User Picture]From: [info]happydog
2006-07-14 03:38 am (UTC)

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I think that the more time you spend with Syd's solo work, the more it will make sense. It is raw and harrowing at times, but it does reveal itself over time. It is not the product of a sane mind, which is the primary difficulty people have with it. It does not follow logical forms. Even when Syd said he wanted to write "pop songs," he was thinking of things like "Arnold Layne" and "Flaming," which are not really pop songs per se.

An interesting context for Syd's solo output is found in the context of the box set, Crazy Diamond, which, of course, contains a lot of outtakes. The surprising thing is that no matter how random those songs may sound, the outtakes have the same aberrant forms; that is to say, the things that seem like idiosyncrasies or mistakes many times are quite deliberate.

Another thing to take into account is that our ears are terribly trained and beaten into submission as far as song form goes. In the time when Syd was recording his solo albums, there was a lot more freedom; not just to take drugs but to experiment with the very idea of sound. AMM, for example, was creating Sonic-Youth-styled sheets of sound in 1967, and this was an influence on Barrett, as evidenced in Pow R Toch, Interstellar Overdrive and Astronomy Domine, as well as the peculiar coda to Bike.

If you listen to some of the artists that surrounded Syd, the solo albums make a lot more sense. For example, Tomorrow, which featured Twink of Pink Fairies fame and Steve Howe. Or Soft Machine's first album, or Kevin Ayers' Joy of a Toy, or Roy Harper's Folkjokeopus or Stormcock. Viewed in the context of other people who were exploring the same areas, it becomes clear that Syd's solo output, although weird, is not completely outside the pale.

In a sense it's an anthropological view that is required, or maybe sociological is what I mean. England in the late 1960s and early 1970s, musically, was a very different place than Amurka in the 21st Century, with our emphasis on robotic precision and our adherence to a restrictive view of song form. To see Syd in context, you have to look at where he was too.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Your mileage may vary!
[User Picture]From: [info]openreel
2006-07-14 10:19 am (UTC)

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If more of us spent time writing about how to appreciate things, and less about why something sucks, the world would be a better place. Thanks. :)
[User Picture]From: [info]rushomancy
2006-07-15 12:52 am (UTC)

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I don't know, I'm a really big fan of Syd's solo albums; I think they work in the same way as Nick Drake's albums (particularly Pink Moon) do. They're unorthodox, sure, but there's some extremely good songwriting there.

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